LAST NIGHT’S ENCOUNTER between Ireland and Spain was not pretty for supporters of the former side, and today’s international newspapers reflected this.
The Guardian was suitably harsh in emphasising Spain’s level of dominance:
“Ireland play better in adversity? Here, there was only adversity. From the very start, when Torres flashed home his first, the outcome was never in doubt. The doggedness that Trapattoni has instilled served to bring this cherished qualification but it could never work the required miracle to escape a punishing Group C.”
The Daily Telegraph, meanwhile, delivered the type of sentiments that Roy Keane would doubtless disapprove of.
“These fans will be missed. Unlike their team, who were barely noticed.”
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AS went further, suggesting that the Irish team “deserve little analysis” given their limited ability.
They singled out Richard Dunne, pointing to his “clumsiness and helplessness” in helping rather than hindering Spain’s progress.
Perhaps exaggerating a tad, Croatian site 24sata claimed Spain could have secured a “double-digit’ victory, but their players instead decided on a “modest” 4-0 scoreline.
Their reporter added that Ireland had “no concentration” in the final third, and gave Iker Casillas virtually nothing to do throughout the entire match.
Meanwhile, Marca was full of praise for the Irish fans, with their website including an article with the title: “The Irish really know how to lose.” The paper added:
“The Irish fans filled three-quarters of Gdansk Arena in the loss to Spain was taken with sportsmanship 4-0. They left the stadium singing as if nothing had happened and they embraced with the Spanish fans, who appreciated the gesture in an atmosphere of brotherhood that was exemplary after the riots in Poland-Russia.”
There is an understandable extra level of focus on Giovanni Trapattoni from Corriere Dello Sport, who write that Ireland were “dominated and outclassed”.
They also focus on the reaction of the Irish press, claiming they “attacked” Trap following the defeat, while putting the Irish side’s game philosophy “on trial”.
Le Monde reports that “the magnitude of the score” reflected the difference in class between the two sides.
Finally, Bild also praise the Irish fans, describing their singing at the end of the match as a “spine-tingling moment,” and concluding that “Ireland has the worst team – but by far the best fans!”
Why not play against Spain and Portugal in Madrid? Would get lots of fans traveling (Madrid lovely in late Sept/early Oct), and really good for these two countries development
@Andrew Slazenger: probably less valuable from a development perspective for Ireland though. Touring SA would serve younger players in future competitive tests, exposing them to the games at altitude against teams that are more hostile and experienced.
Absolutely understand the merits of the tour as a means of testing and integrating younger players into the international arena.
But I genuinely don’t understand the timing. Surely there are time slots where it wouldn’t hurt the clubs.
Also why not being back the wolfhounds.. similar concept but on free weeks around the 6Nations
@John Fitz: I’ve given up moaning about how much this effects all clubs AND provinces, no ones listening and no one (including the IRFU) gives two sh!t$ about the clubs (AIL). It was a great tour, big joe and Tom n the second row! Its like a look a potential national teams in 3 years time. I cheered from the sofa, and then didn’t go to the back pitch at Thomond like I should have
Select young u20s players etc who will not be playing urc games. Otherwise its a waste of time and a drain on provinces that dont have bloated squads like leinster.
@mike o’farrell: If you watched the game against the Cheetahs in the last tour – especially the scrum – it would be obvious that a U20 side would get slaughtered by this opposition. Also, fwiw, Leinster won’t have a more bloated squad than anybody else next season
IRFU devalueing the URC again. Why not bring back the wolfhounds and have them play England Saxons etc durning the 6 nations, or go on a summer tour to USA and Canada, the timing of this undermines what the URC is trying to do in not having games durning international windows so the best players can play for thier provinces more.
@damien reidy: jeez I actually had to google that as haven’t watched Currie cup in years but yes looks like a Jaguares XV certainly competed in the Currie cup first division (one below premier) and won it .also a team from Zimbabwe, Kenya, Namibia, USA seem to be in that comp (first division).. interestung stuff
100% this should be done during international windows when no URC games are done.
Aside from touring a Ireland A/Development team will fill out Ravenhill, Donnybrook, Musgrave etc if they were playing Tier 2 European teams like Georgia, Spain on a Friday night.
Some players I would love to see in this squad include Sam P, Doak, Izzy, Forde, R Russell, Edogbo x 2, Gavin, Milne
It would have been better if this was organised during the off season of club rugby so younger players would get experience instead of in the middle of a season.
@Justin Robinson: interesting point. Famously in the last Emerging Ireland Tour Ben Healy played on with Munster while Crowley went to SA. At the time Crowley was 3rd choice at Munster. On top of that many saw the tour as a vehicle to give Frawley game time at 10. Frawley got injured … the rest is history.
@Cormac McCarthy: Great. Flannery went on the tour as well and it didn’t do him much good. In fact, so was Izzy and he’s only just got back in the side two years later!
@Thesaltyurchin: Yes, he’s been a breath of fresh air. Had some time-keeping issues with Dan – he’s a pretty relaxed lad. Prior to that, he had an ACL injury in 2021. McCann was also used sparingly for a good while. There’s an argument that holding them back until they were fully ready has worked.
With the loss of the B & I Cup, there are far fewer opportunities for the younger players to show their talent. Big jump from AIL to URC top end. Also the time of year must suit the hosts.
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Why not play against Spain and Portugal in Madrid? Would get lots of fans traveling (Madrid lovely in late Sept/early Oct), and really good for these two countries development
@Andrew Slazenger: probably less valuable from a development perspective for Ireland though. Touring SA would serve younger players in future competitive tests, exposing them to the games at altitude against teams that are more hostile and experienced.
@Andrew Slazenger: would you rather drive a Ferrari or a Fiat Punto? What’s wrong with you man…!!!
@Stuart: Portugal beat Fiji, drew with Georgia and we’re excellent vs Wales in the World Cup, honestly I’d say they’re close the level of the Cheetahs
@Stuart: okay wow no need to knock the fiat punto
Absolutely understand the merits of the tour as a means of testing and integrating younger players into the international arena.
But I genuinely don’t understand the timing. Surely there are time slots where it wouldn’t hurt the clubs.
Also why not being back the wolfhounds.. similar concept but on free weeks around the 6Nations
@John Fitz: I’ve given up moaning about how much this effects all clubs AND provinces, no ones listening and no one (including the IRFU) gives two sh!t$ about the clubs (AIL). It was a great tour, big joe and Tom n the second row! Its like a look a potential national teams in 3 years time. I cheered from the sofa, and then didn’t go to the back pitch at Thomond like I should have
Select young u20s players etc who will not be playing urc games. Otherwise its a waste of time and a drain on provinces that dont have bloated squads like leinster.
@mike o’farrell: If you watched the game against the Cheetahs in the last tour – especially the scrum – it would be obvious that a U20 side would get slaughtered by this opposition. Also, fwiw, Leinster won’t have a more bloated squad than anybody else next season
IRFU devalueing the URC again. Why not bring back the wolfhounds and have them play England Saxons etc durning the 6 nations, or go on a summer tour to USA and Canada, the timing of this undermines what the URC is trying to do in not having games durning international windows so the best players can play for thier provinces more.
Think Ireland vs western force on 6th is an error should be province ..
@Stuart: The clue is in the article
@damien reidy: ah ok didn’t read it correctly , so emerging Ireland playing an Aussie side in SA too then ..that’s different alright ..
@Stuart: Andrew Forrest’s Western Force … Mining Contacts get doors open for you
@Stuart: Didn’t Argentina have a side in the Currie Cup in 2013-15 ?
@damien reidy: jeez I actually had to google that as haven’t watched Currie cup in years but yes looks like a Jaguares XV certainly competed in the Currie cup first division (one below premier) and won it .also a team from Zimbabwe, Kenya, Namibia, USA seem to be in that comp (first division).. interestung stuff
100% this should be done during international windows when no URC games are done.
Aside from touring a Ireland A/Development team will fill out Ravenhill, Donnybrook, Musgrave etc if they were playing Tier 2 European teams like Georgia, Spain on a Friday night.
Some players I would love to see in this squad include Sam P, Doak, Izzy, Forde, R Russell, Edogbo x 2, Gavin, Milne
It would have been better if this was organised during the off season of club rugby so younger players would get experience instead of in the middle of a season.
@sean o’farrell: they don’t call it the off season for no reason,:)
@anthony davoren: where else would you put it
Izzy would be better off starting for Ulster in their SA tour which runs pretty much at the same time.
@Justin Robinson: interesting point. Famously in the last Emerging Ireland Tour Ben Healy played on with Munster while Crowley went to SA. At the time Crowley was 3rd choice at Munster. On top of that many saw the tour as a vehicle to give Frawley game time at 10. Frawley got injured … the rest is history.
@Cormac McCarthy: Great. Flannery went on the tour as well and it didn’t do him much good. In fact, so was Izzy and he’s only just got back in the side two years later!
@Justin Robinson: given what we’ve seen of him, that is sort of mad
@Thesaltyurchin: Yes, he’s been a breath of fresh air. Had some time-keeping issues with Dan – he’s a pretty relaxed lad. Prior to that, he had an ACL injury in 2021. McCann was also used sparingly for a good while. There’s an argument that holding them back until they were fully ready has worked.
With the loss of the B & I Cup, there are far fewer opportunities for the younger players to show their talent. Big jump from AIL to URC top end. Also the time of year must suit the hosts.
@kieran horgan: Make the AIL great again
@kieran horgan: I think the working assumption of most people on this site is that the hosts will be happy to fit in with whatever the IRFU proposes.