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Opinion: Women's rugby deserves better than lazy and damaging stereotypes
Niamh Horan’s feature in The Sunday Independent about training with a women’s rugby team was a wasted opportunity, writes Sindo columnist Katy Harrington.
THIS MORNING A friend shared a link on Facebook to an article by Niamh Horan about her experience meeting and joining The Railway Union women’s rugby team for a practice. I read it and got mad.
Then I read it again and felt sad for lots of reasons, a few of which I’ve tried to express here.
First up, the writer doesn’t seem to know much about rugby, which is fine, because it’s a first-person, get stuck in kinda feature… but it quickly slides in to lazy, inaccurate and damaging stereotypes about women and women who play sport at all levels.
There is a lot of sexual innuendo in the beginning of the piece, which is all a bit of a giggle really with the scrum and all that business. I don’t get upset about a few harmless crotch jokes, but then tone changes dramatically.
“Let me shatter your misconceptions about women in the sport. These are not butch, masculine, beer-swilling, men-hating women. They are fit, toned, effortlessly pretty players who love nothing more than getting dolled up for the evening”, Horan writes.
Whew, I’m so relieved they are pretty and don’t drink beer, at least one of those things must make a big difference when our rugby players are sprinting towards the tryline with 15 Kazakhstani opponents trying to stop them.
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Personally, I don’t have any “misconceptions” for Horan to shatter about women in rugby, I don’t even have a conception to be truthful, because until this incredible national team win, I hadn’t heard much about the Irish women’s squad…and I love watching rugby (even though my friends are ashamed to watch the Six Nations in the pub with me because I tend to freak out and scream – a lot).
It’s brilliant that women’s team are getting deserved column inches, so why waste the opportunity talking about manicures, fake tan and what they wear off the pitch (the same type of clothes all other women wear surely?)
There’s so much in that “butch, masculine, beer-swilling, men-hating” sentence that bothers me. That women who play sport or are strong are somehow less womanly is absurd. I really thought that we were done with all that nonsense of calling girls who have short hair butch and boys who study ballet sissies, or am I the only one who saw Billy Elliott?
Provocation
Horan assumes that we, the public, walk around believing female rugby players are manly and butch, but hate men at the same time. Where did this ridiculous and unfounded notion come from? And why on earth would they hate men? Does physical prowess and sporting ability change women genetically, making them hate their brothers, sons, dads and boyfriends?
Oh hang on, they probably don’t have any…sure they must all be lesbians! One commenter on Facebook, Gearoid McCarthy, made the point that the piece was “looking for a rise” and he may be correct, but I didn’t think newspapers or journalists wrote things purely for provocation, and even if they did, why pick on a women’s sports team having their first public moment in the sun? Surely there are more bad guys out there who we’d love to see sent up, exposed or derided by an experienced journalist like Horan.
There are some really good bits in the feature. The description of the first encounter with the national men’s team and how they formed a circle around the women’s team in a show of consolidation is incredible. Imagining that moment sent a shiver down my spine, the same one I felt watching the men’s team sing our national anthem in Croke Park in 2007.
Remember when John Hayes cried? Yeah, ‘The Bull’ bawled his eyes out, but no one called him a pansy or thought he was less of a man for it did they?
What annoys me most about the article is that an opportunity for a great story was wasted.
I am curious about this team and (off the top of my head) I have lots of questions. Are any of their players on the national squad? Who are the key players? Where are they from? Do they get paid playing for their country and clubs? How much? (I’m not being rude, journalists are supposed to be nosey). What about sponsorship? Where did they start playing? (I went to a mixed school and no one ever threw me a rugby ball). Do they ever play mixed rugby? Should we be teaching rugby more in school? Rugby has a bit of reputation for being elitist, is that the case in the women’s game too?
Who are our biggest rivals as a nation? How often to they train and where? I want gore; I want injury stories. Who gives their Paul O’Connell-style half time put-the-fear-of-God-in-them, go bananas team talks? When do we get to see them play next? I’m not being glib here, but I actually wouldn’t mind knowing what they eat for breakfast either.
Finally, I really take issue with the article’s closing remark asking if the players get involved in threesomes. Had Horan been given the privilege of hanging out with a men’s club would she have asked Brian O’Driscoll, Rob Kearney or Jamie Heaslip the same question? I doubt it. They would have been afforded more respect than that.
Maybe this is a disappointing piece of writing too, because I have more questions than answers. All I know is we must do better because on this occasion, someone dropped the ball.
Katy Harrington is a freelance journalist who has a weekly column in The Sunday Independent.
I am highly disgusted by NH’s article. She took what was said out of context and twisted it. Railway have not been shown in a good light nor the image of women in rugby. Rugby is for all shapes, sizes and heights. There is no discrimination! That’s what I liked the most about railway! They took me in, a very overweight unfit girl from coolock who never played rugby before last year and moulded me into a better player with high standards of rugby and very high goals and made me realise my potential! We are there to play rugby and be the best we can be and if we wanted to look pretty we can stand on the sidelines and fake an injury.. I pride myself in wearing my railway gear. I pride myself in telling people where I play it is the best thing I’ve ever done with my life. We have an amazing social team and are always there for each other! Ms. Horan has taken what could have been a fantastic piece and made it about herself and made sleezy and unnecessary comments and stereotypes.. We don’t get paid for playing we do it because it’s something we are dedicated to! Something we go straight from work to and forget about the world for a while. I travel two hours on buses to and from training every Tuesday and nd Thursday and I love every minute of it. Do you think I’d do that if the club were a bunch of fake molly dollys that Horan made us out to be.. and if you want more information about us come down to our training on Tuesday in sandymount about 7 and have about tend look for yourself :)
Fair play Nichola. Maybe thescore.ie could let you or one of your teammates write an alternative piece that better represents the experience you all have had?
Saw that article on Facebook today, the standard of journalism involved and the condescending tone of the entire piece was beyond insulting! Nothing shocking about the Irish Independent printing this nonsense unfortunately, it’s been a rag for a long time now!
Squalid article. Especially so when you consider that some of the girls Niamh Horan “trained” with when researching (if I can use that word) this article are U18 including my daughter.
Presume the threesome comment is a reference her story a while back about an alleged encounter between a (female) student and two members of the (male) Irish team. Yeeuch. Horrible.
Well said, women’s rugby is amateur in Ireland. The writing doesn’t have to be. Players of this and, any sport and dedicated to their team and club. Putting our bodies on the line week in, week out. Best of luck to the ladies on Wednesday!
The headline ‘I never play a game without my tan’. Cringe. It was probably done by a subeditor but it’s a real slap in the face for the women’s game.
Tbf, Eamonn Sweeney had a good article on the team in the Sindo’s sports section today and mostly, the coverage over the last couple of years has been professional.
But there is major room for improvement, and the Irish team are helping to move this along, on the pitch and in the stands.
I’d like to see them get a bigger venue for their home matches – i.e the RDS.
Can’t wait for Wed.
I think a less well-known, lower down the ranks writer (like me) would have been eaten alive for sending in that copy and told to re-do it, i’m honestly not sure what happened here.
Thanks a mill for taking the time to read the piece and comment Sarah.
The narrative about rugby being the sport of choice for the middle classes in Ireland is incorrect, possibly in England this is true. The esri study on sports participation showed that gaelic football is the most popular sport amongst middle class professions
fair point. it was just one of the thoughts off the top of my head that i would have liked to ask those women. My brother’s went to posh schools and played rugby…i went to a free comprehensive and didn’t so i’d like to find out more
Edmund that is a complete misnomer. Rugby is an utterly upper middle class the world over including Limerick and elsewhere in Ireland. I went to a rugby school that was fee paying and GAA was treated like some kind of peasant game. We were given 1 field for hurling out in a nearby farm that was pock marked and windswept. Eventually the coach was hounded out of his role as it was perceived as interfering with rugby time even though we were way more successful at it.
Football might be the most popular sport amongst middle classes as it probably is amongst most classes as its relatively easy to play to a certain level and is enjoyable. That doesn’t mean many of the lower class are playing much rugby
An beal bocht – you really should check your facts before you allow the chip on your shoulder about how your school treated GAA to colour your judgement. Rugby in Limerick is played across all ‘classes’ (as you put it).
Ya the poor souls around southill can’t get enough of their rugby alright. You don’t think “classes” exist in this country? Sure only a hellish replication of marxism can prevent some form of stratification, and even at that some are “more equal than others”
the word posh was never in the article. the article is unchanged from what was originally published, nor do i have access to the site to make amends or corrections.
all i said in my comment was my brothers went to ‘posh’ (fee paying) schools, and played rugby, i went to a non-fee paying school and rugby wasn’t an option. i want to know where these women started playing? is rugby an accessible option for schoolgirls of all ages?
If you feel my comment is damaging then i apologise. never my intention as a writer or a human but i think labelling me a hypocrite is way off the mark!
I think it is hypocritical you write an article on stereotyping and then write a comment like you did in the comments section. Sorry, I think it’s hypocritical. Sry if you think I’m off the mark. I don’t mean to offend you as a ‘human’ or a comment writer!
I’ve been to new Zealand and rugby is still the bastion of fee paying schools, same in Wales. Just look at the schools most of their national team went to. I was in Argentina and none of the street kids are playing rugby. While rugby doesn’t quite have the label of exclusion it might have had in the 19th and 20th centuries, that’s where it’s coming from tho.
A lot of Welsh people I know consider rugby the sport of people from all walks of life, while in New Zealand most middle class kids are been moved towards soccer.
Of all the countries that play rugby Argentina unfortunately seems to be the most elitist.
There are some good sports section writers in the Independent, like Neil Francis and the guy who writes the back page stuff. The main section and magazine, however, are full of vacuous inanity passed of as opinion. You can’t really expect any better from this Niamh Horan individual. I’ve occasionally read a few lines of her pieces, and it’s all sensationalist rubbish
A great article, written with honesty and insight.
As for the hostile reaction to the word ‘posh’ in relation to fee-paying schools, grow up and look up the dictionary definition of the word and you will find that it is a near perfect adjective to describe fee-paying schools which are obviously exclusive in nature and only available to people with financial means (apart from the odd scholarship of course!).
Her twitter bio does say she’s a Sunday Indo Columnist. But it also says, journalist and editor, i.e. freelance.
Let’s give her a break. Great article, Katy.
Excellent article Katy. But this wasn’t Wmen’s team “first time in the sun” after defeating New Zealand. They were the 2013 Six Nations Women”s champs beating England Wales Scotland and France.
Thanks so much Stephen O’Byrnes.
The line about the team getting their first moment in the sun was referring to The Railway Union’s Women’s Team, not the Irish team, who as you rightly say, have had a raft of recent success. If that’s not clear I’m sorry.
Thanks so much for taking the time to read it & comment. the support is really appreciated.
Hi Silver Planet.
I am freelance, not a Sindo journalist.
I wrote the article because I was really sad and angry this morning.
I would have preferred to spend my day taking naps and reading the papers but I felt it needed to be discussed. we also didn’t link back to the article here so i think that comment is harsh, but thanks for reading it and commenting anyway.
Her twitter bio does say she’s a Sunday Indo Columnist. But it also says, journalist and editor, i.e. freelance. Let’s give her a break. Great article, Katy.
Michael Donnelly – my twitter bio describes exactly what i do. I am a freelance journalist living in London, with a weekly column with The Sunday Independent, and i often write interviews for them too.
This article also clarifies that i write column fir the Sindo. so full disclosure from the get go, nothing to be confused about i hope!
Niamh horan and the Indo got exactly what they wanted from the article… A hype, a reaction… They are now focused on gutter press and rumour more than actual writing because they realized the rest of the world has passed them by.. In saying that there is no excuse for demeaning rugby with that sort of absolute shite.. And to bring it out in the midst of one of the country’s greatest sporting achievements in any field has done nothing except try and deter from the success… It’s like the Indo and Niamh Moron felt like little children who weren’t getting enough attention so they needed to write this. She is not a journalist in any way. I’m sure she is getting great Craic out of this herself and feels popular because she trended on twitter etc but if that’s how she needs attention I think she has bigger issues… Hope Ireland knock lumps out of England and go on to beat canada or whoever in the final! #COYGIG
Great piece Katy.What an oppertuinity Niamh Horan was handed right on a plate. An oppertuinity to shine a light on what it’s like in the life of a female rugby player. The sacrifice, the blood , the sweat and the tears. All of what you hear when you read a piece on men’s rugby. A chance to gather support for our national team for their heroics to date in the world cup. Irish womens sports people never get the credit they deserve even though the sacrifice is often a lot more than that of there male counterparts. One such example is how often we hear about the Kilkenny and Kerry four in a row. The Kerry Ladies Football Team won nine All Ireland tittles in a row and The Cork ladies Football Team won five All Ireland Titles in a row but how often do we hear about it. This journalist working for a national newspaper never thought of these stats. Instead she based her article around making comments based on the looks and sexuality of women who represent their country at the highest level. She should be ashamed of herself.
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I am highly disgusted by NH’s article. She took what was said out of context and twisted it. Railway have not been shown in a good light nor the image of women in rugby. Rugby is for all shapes, sizes and heights. There is no discrimination! That’s what I liked the most about railway! They took me in, a very overweight unfit girl from coolock who never played rugby before last year and moulded me into a better player with high standards of rugby and very high goals and made me realise my potential! We are there to play rugby and be the best we can be and if we wanted to look pretty we can stand on the sidelines and fake an injury.. I pride myself in wearing my railway gear. I pride myself in telling people where I play it is the best thing I’ve ever done with my life. We have an amazing social team and are always there for each other! Ms. Horan has taken what could have been a fantastic piece and made it about herself and made sleezy and unnecessary comments and stereotypes.. We don’t get paid for playing we do it because it’s something we are dedicated to! Something we go straight from work to and forget about the world for a while. I travel two hours on buses to and from training every Tuesday and nd Thursday and I love every minute of it. Do you think I’d do that if the club were a bunch of fake molly dollys that Horan made us out to be.. and if you want more information about us come down to our training on Tuesday in sandymount about 7 and have about tend look for yourself :)
Good on ya, Nichola!!!!
More power to you Nichola.
Fair play Nichola. Maybe thescore.ie could let you or one of your teammates write an alternative piece that better represents the experience you all have had?
Well said, lady.
Saw that article on Facebook today, the standard of journalism involved and the condescending tone of the entire piece was beyond insulting! Nothing shocking about the Irish Independent printing this nonsense unfortunately, it’s been a rag for a long time now!
Your first mistake Katy, was assuming that Niamh Horan is a journalist in any sense of the word.
She has plenty of form in putting uninformed drivel to print in the past.
Squalid article. Especially so when you consider that some of the girls Niamh Horan “trained” with when researching (if I can use that word) this article are U18 including my daughter.
Presume the threesome comment is a reference her story a while back about an alleged encounter between a (female) student and two members of the (male) Irish team. Yeeuch. Horrible.
Well said, women’s rugby is amateur in Ireland. The writing doesn’t have to be. Players of this and, any sport and dedicated to their team and club. Putting our bodies on the line week in, week out. Best of luck to the ladies on Wednesday!
Well said! The article, and accompanying photographs were condescending in the extreme!
Awful article by an awful wannabe journalist. #thisiswomensrugby to see the response from women around the country to this muck
The headline ‘I never play a game without my tan’. Cringe. It was probably done by a subeditor but it’s a real slap in the face for the women’s game.
Tbf, Eamonn Sweeney had a good article on the team in the Sindo’s sports section today and mostly, the coverage over the last couple of years has been professional.
But there is major room for improvement, and the Irish team are helping to move this along, on the pitch and in the stands.
I’d like to see them get a bigger venue for their home matches – i.e the RDS.
Can’t wait for Wed.
No criticism for the editorial team Katy?
I think a less well-known, lower down the ranks writer (like me) would have been eaten alive for sending in that copy and told to re-do it, i’m honestly not sure what happened here.
Thanks a mill for taking the time to read the piece and comment Sarah.
The narrative about rugby being the sport of choice for the middle classes in Ireland is incorrect, possibly in England this is true. The esri study on sports participation showed that gaelic football is the most popular sport amongst middle class professions
fair point. it was just one of the thoughts off the top of my head that i would have liked to ask those women. My brother’s went to posh schools and played rugby…i went to a free comprehensive and didn’t so i’d like to find out more
Edmund that is a complete misnomer. Rugby is an utterly upper middle class the world over including Limerick and elsewhere in Ireland. I went to a rugby school that was fee paying and GAA was treated like some kind of peasant game. We were given 1 field for hurling out in a nearby farm that was pock marked and windswept. Eventually the coach was hounded out of his role as it was perceived as interfering with rugby time even though we were way more successful at it.
Football might be the most popular sport amongst middle classes as it probably is amongst most classes as its relatively easy to play to a certain level and is enjoyable. That doesn’t mean many of the lower class are playing much rugby
‘posh’ schools. You’re after writing an article about stereotyping!!
An beal bocht – you really should check your facts before you allow the chip on your shoulder about how your school treated GAA to colour your judgement. Rugby in Limerick is played across all ‘classes’ (as you put it).
Ya the poor souls around southill can’t get enough of their rugby alright. You don’t think “classes” exist in this country? Sure only a hellish replication of marxism can prevent some form of stratification, and even at that some are “more equal than others”
fee paying then?
An-real-Bocht certainly not middle class the world over look at Wales, New Zealand or the P. I.’s
Possessive “brother’s” instead of plural “brothers”, would not fancy being your editor! ;-)
Good article though!
Paul McCabe, yes, apologies. i’ve been working since dawn & got sloppy!
Oh, so only ‘posh’ people send their ‘posh’ kids to fee paying school.
Too late really, damage is done.
As you said yourself in your title ‘lazy, damaging stereotyping’
Hilarious hypocrisy
Ah not too late for you I see as you’ve amended the article. Very good.
hi Nicholas.
the word posh was never in the article. the article is unchanged from what was originally published, nor do i have access to the site to make amends or corrections.
all i said in my comment was my brothers went to ‘posh’ (fee paying) schools, and played rugby, i went to a non-fee paying school and rugby wasn’t an option. i want to know where these women started playing? is rugby an accessible option for schoolgirls of all ages?
If you feel my comment is damaging then i apologise. never my intention as a writer or a human but i think labelling me a hypocrite is way off the mark!
thanks for taking the time to comment though
I think it is hypocritical you write an article on stereotyping and then write a comment like you did in the comments section. Sorry, I think it’s hypocritical. Sry if you think I’m off the mark. I don’t mean to offend you as a ‘human’ or a comment writer!
I’ve been to new Zealand and rugby is still the bastion of fee paying schools, same in Wales. Just look at the schools most of their national team went to. I was in Argentina and none of the street kids are playing rugby. While rugby doesn’t quite have the label of exclusion it might have had in the 19th and 20th centuries, that’s where it’s coming from tho.
A lot of Welsh people I know consider rugby the sport of people from all walks of life, while in New Zealand most middle class kids are been moved towards soccer.
Of all the countries that play rugby Argentina unfortunately seems to be the most elitist.
There are some good sports section writers in the Independent, like Neil Francis and the guy who writes the back page stuff. The main section and magazine, however, are full of vacuous inanity passed of as opinion. You can’t really expect any better from this Niamh Horan individual. I’ve occasionally read a few lines of her pieces, and it’s all sensationalist rubbish
Agree Martin, but I don’t think Neil Francis is any better tbh, remember his gaffe about rugby being too “manly” for gay people
Neil Francis is a joke ! The most biased gobsh 1 te ever to put pen to paper!
Thanks you Katy!
A great article, written with honesty and insight.
As for the hostile reaction to the word ‘posh’ in relation to fee-paying schools, grow up and look up the dictionary definition of the word and you will find that it is a near perfect adjective to describe fee-paying schools which are obviously exclusive in nature and only available to people with financial means (apart from the odd scholarship of course!).
Her twitter bio does say she’s a Sunday Indo Columnist. But it also says, journalist and editor, i.e. freelance.
Let’s give her a break. Great article, Katy.
Excellent article Katy. But this wasn’t Wmen’s team “first time in the sun” after defeating New Zealand. They were the 2013 Six Nations Women”s champs beating England Wales Scotland and France.
Thanks so much Stephen O’Byrnes.
The line about the team getting their first moment in the sun was referring to The Railway Union’s Women’s Team, not the Irish team, who as you rightly say, have had a raft of recent success. If that’s not clear I’m sorry.
Thanks so much for taking the time to read it & comment. the support is really appreciated.
Sindo journalist generating more publicity for typically awful Sindo article
Hi Silver Planet.
I am freelance, not a Sindo journalist.
I wrote the article because I was really sad and angry this morning.
I would have preferred to spend my day taking naps and reading the papers but I felt it needed to be discussed. we also didn’t link back to the article here so i think that comment is harsh, but thanks for reading it and commenting anyway.
If you’re not a Sindo journalist then why does your Twitter profile say “Sunday Independent Columnist”?
Her twitter bio does say she’s a Sunday Indo Columnist. But it also says, journalist and editor, i.e. freelance. Let’s give her a break. Great article, Katy.
Michael Donnelly – my twitter bio describes exactly what i do. I am a freelance journalist living in London, with a weekly column with The Sunday Independent, and i often write interviews for them too.
This article also clarifies that i write column fir the Sindo. so full disclosure from the get go, nothing to be confused about i hope!
thanks for reading
Keep the fiath Katy , don’t let them drag you down. You wrote a good article so you did.
And COYGIG.
Hi Katy, it was really the wider narrative that I was getting at not so much your article which I enjoyed, good journalism
Well said!
Niamh horan and the Indo got exactly what they wanted from the article… A hype, a reaction… They are now focused on gutter press and rumour more than actual writing because they realized the rest of the world has passed them by.. In saying that there is no excuse for demeaning rugby with that sort of absolute shite.. And to bring it out in the midst of one of the country’s greatest sporting achievements in any field has done nothing except try and deter from the success… It’s like the Indo and Niamh Moron felt like little children who weren’t getting enough attention so they needed to write this. She is not a journalist in any way. I’m sure she is getting great Craic out of this herself and feels popular because she trended on twitter etc but if that’s how she needs attention I think she has bigger issues… Hope Ireland knock lumps out of England and go on to beat canada or whoever in the final! #COYGIG
Great piece Katy.What an oppertuinity Niamh Horan was handed right on a plate. An oppertuinity to shine a light on what it’s like in the life of a female rugby player. The sacrifice, the blood , the sweat and the tears. All of what you hear when you read a piece on men’s rugby. A chance to gather support for our national team for their heroics to date in the world cup. Irish womens sports people never get the credit they deserve even though the sacrifice is often a lot more than that of there male counterparts. One such example is how often we hear about the Kilkenny and Kerry four in a row. The Kerry Ladies Football Team won nine All Ireland tittles in a row and The Cork ladies Football Team won five All Ireland Titles in a row but how often do we hear about it. This journalist working for a national newspaper never thought of these stats. Instead she based her article around making comments based on the looks and sexuality of women who represent their country at the highest level. She should be ashamed of herself.