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The Redzone: Why average quarterbacks don’t win Super Bowls

The position, in particular, is vital to a team’s chances of success, argues Steven O’Rourke

Baltimore Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco passes against the Cincinnati Bengals in the first half of an NFL football game last Sunday.
Baltimore Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco passes against the Cincinnati Bengals in the first half of an NFL football game last Sunday.

THEY GET TOO much protection from the NFL but, in the playoffs, quarterbacks show their true value to their team.

During the course of the regular season, I received an email from someone asking a very simple question: “Who was the last average/bad quarterback to win a Super Bowl?”

As an Oakland Raiders sufferer, the answer wasn’t hard. It was Brad Johnson in 2002 with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Picked up in the ninth round of the 1992 Draft by the Minnesota Vikings, Johnson had a less than stellar career. In 125 games, he threw 166 touchdowns and 122 interceptions, finishing with a record of 72 wins to 53 losses.

However, in 2002, Johnson had an extra special season setting team records for touchdowns (22) and completion percentage (62.3) and helped his team to victory in Super Bowl XXXVII over the Raiders.

Since then, the quarterbacks who have lifted the Vince Lombardi trophy are Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Peyton and Eli Manning.

That’s six probable future Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Now consider Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, Christian Ponder and Matt Schaub. Do you really think any of them are likely to end up in Canton?

Thought not.

SATURDAY GAMES

Cincinnati Bengals @ Houston Texans

Since 1990, when the NFL introduced the current 12-team format, home teams have won almost 66% of playoff games. The Texans are at home.

In the history of the league, teams have met at the Wild-Card stage in consecutive years just three times. On each occasion, the team that won the first encounter has repeated that success the following year. The Texans beat the Bengals 31-10 at this stage last year.

Despite that, it is worth noting that Houston have fallen into the playoffs, losing three of their last four, while the Bengals finished the regular season with seven wins from their last eight games.

Verdict: Neither of these teams will win the AFC Championship, let alone the Vince Lombardi trophy, but the Texans should have enough to get through to the next round. Houston by 5.

Minnesota Vikings @ Green Bay Packers

(Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers pitches the ball during the second half of an NFL football game against the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday – Genevieve Ross/AP/Press Association Images)

This will be the 18th time that teams who met in the final week of the regular season will meet in the first round of the playoffs. Given the nature of week 17 encounters – teams already qualified for the playoffs resting starters, etc – it should come as no surprise that just eight of those who’ve won in the regular season have also won the postseason encounter.

Aaron Rodgers comes into this game as the only NFC quarterback to make the postseason who has actually won a playoff game before and his experience in the sub-zero conditions expected in Lambeau Field could prove invaluable.

However, Adrian Peterson already has 409 rushing yards against the Packers this year and the freezing conditions could suit the Vikings’ ground-and-pound style.

Verdict: The Packers will be worried by the fact they’ve lost three of their last four home playoff games but should still have enough to beat their divisional rivals. Green Bay by 7.

SUNDAY GAMES

Indianapolis Colts @ Baltimore Ravens

Those of you, like me, who were sure Ray Lewis would announce his retirement with his usual modesty and understatement must have been shocked that he chose the Wednesday before a key playoff game to make the story all about him.

Sarcasm aside, Lewis has been the Ravens franchise for more than a decade and he will be sorely missed in Baltimore where he became one of just eight defensive players to ever win MVP in the Super Bowl.

For the Colts, Andrew Luck will become the first quarterback picked number one overall to start a postseason game in his rookie season and has helped Indy turn from hopeless to hopefuls in little over a year. He will, however, have to take better care of the football than he has at times this season.

Verdict: Upset alert. The Ravens have lost four of their last five, haven’t played well since mid-November and, well, Joe Flacco is their quarterback. Indianapolis by 3.

Seattle Seahawks @ Washington Redskins

This will be the second time in two seasons that rookie quarterbacks face off in the first round of the playoffs but, unlike TJ Yates last season, both Robert Griffin III and Russell Wilson are their respective team’s starting quarterbacks.

This will be just the third appearance in the playoffs by the Redskins since 1999 and they won’t take much solace from the fact that both those experiences ended with a loss to the Seattle Seahawks in 2005 and 2007.

The Seahawks enter the game with a lot of hype surrounding their defence and with some tipping them to be the surprise package of this year’s playoffs. However, while they were 8-0 at home this season, they have stuttered to a 3-5 record on the road.

Verdict: This will undoubtedly be the game of the weekend and could easily require overtime to separate the two teams. A tough one to call, but Seattle by 3.

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Comments (11 Comments)

  • It’s a good question.

    Personally, I couldn’t see any benefit in them winning last week. Having a bye hasn’t really worked all that well for them of late and knocking the Bears out of the playoffs was an added bonus.

    However, I also think there are legitimate concerns about their ability to keep AP under 150/200 yards, that’s the only issue from last week that has any bearing on this I think. That an Blair Walsh’s ability to be as accurate for the Vikings in freezing conditions.

    Keep Peterson under 150 yards, think Packers will win easily. But if gets anywhere near his average ypg against the Packers this season, and it could be a lot closer than most think.

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  • I’ll see your Brad Johnson, and raise you one Trent Dilfer (2000 with the Ravens). 12 TD, 11 int, and a pedestrian 76.6 QB Rating. Of course, it wasn’t his job to win games for the Ravens that year. It was his job not to lose them, and let Ed Reed and Ray Lewis look after the rest.

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    • Ed Reed wasn’t with the ravens when they won the superbowl, joined two years later..
      I think the point that Stephen is making is that in the current pass crazy phase of the league its doubtful that an average QB will win his team the superbowl…in principle I’d agree and the recent stats certainly back it up, all the last 6 previous winners will go to HOF..
      also re. Alex Smith I don’t think he’s nearly as bad as people make out and there’s also no guarantee they would have beaten patriots last year anyway

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  • Alex Smith last year was 2 muffed punts away from the Super Bowl and would have gone into the Super Bowl with a lights out defence. Would not have beyond the bounds of possiblity to suggest that Alex Smith an average Quarterback could have done it again.

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    • If Wes Welker hadn’t dropped a simple pass the Pats and David Tyree hadn’t made a ridiculous catch with his helmet, Eli Manning wouldn’t have two Super Bowl rings, but he does.

      There’s no room for ifs and buts, you either win the Super Bowl or you don’t and the fact is, in the vast majority of cases, teams with above average quarterbacks are the teams that win it. Take the last 25 Super Bowls, the winning QB in 20 of them is probably HOF bound. That’s a pretty large sample size.

      I get what you’re saying about Smith and he was unlucky not to get to the Super Bowl but the fact is he didn’t win and he’s certainly not going to win it this year either.

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    • Of course there is room for If’s and buts, One of the hash tags on this article is conjecture which is very much falls into the catagory of If. This article predicting that outcomes of games is based on the consideration of ifs and buts, The only facts at present known about those games is their schedualed kick offs. To discount if’s and buts you get bad conclusions and make bad decisions and wouldn’t be any fun.

      It is certainly in possible that Smith could have won the SB last year, highlighting the ability of a strong defence as opposed to a strong offence to be the mainstay of a successful team. Seattle’s defence is certainly a large part of their charge as is the Bengals Defence. Defence gets far to much over looked in the NFL by the glamour of the QB. Teams are certainly more likely in recent years to win the SB with Ellite QBs but I dont find the evidence conclusive to dismiss the possibility of a non Ellite QB winning a SB. Elite QBs win tight games. Not all games are tight.

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    • Sorry, I didn’t make myself clear. There are no room for ifs and buts when dealing with the past. What has happened in the past has happened and no amount of ‘well, if the wind had been blowing in a northerly direction that day the kick would definitely have been good instead of wide right’.

      The future, on the other hand, is all conjecture. However, I wasn’t responsible for the hash tags on the piece.

      As for Seattle’s defence, you’re dead right, but they’ve also got an above average QB that can make plays to win games as he has done repeatedly this season. How many games has Flacco won for the Ravens or Ponder for the Vikings? Same with Alex Smith, I reckon David Akers has won more games for the 49ers than Smith.

      Again, look at the list of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks, regardless of the defence behind them, the vast majority of them have HOF or future HOF quarterbacks. For every Brad Johnson there are at least five Tom Bradys and Joe Montanas.

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  • The Packers Vikings game should be a comparative microcosm of the attacking game. The Packers can’t really run the ball to any effect without Green or Benson. And the Vikings can’t pass the ball to any effect without Harvin. So we have the best running game versus the best passing game. Peterson had been immense this season but with Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Finley and Jones, Rodgers has an amazing array of targets to hit. Green Bay to beat the spread.

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  • I agree with you on the results of all the games. But have a few questions on the Packers.

    Even before last Sunday’s game they were NFC North division champs so guaranteed of a play-off game. A win against the Vikings would have insured them a week off. However they knew a loss to the Vikings insured their bitter rivals The Bears would not make the playoffs & they would face the Vikings in Lambeau. Also the Packers were setup for a total running game from the Vikings as Adrian Peterson was going for a new NFL single season rushing record, but the Vikings came with a passing game. In the end the Vikings won, Peterson was short of the NFL record by 9 yards, but The Bears were out, and the Packers saw the Vikings passing game.

    The question, was last week’s loss to the Vikings all that bad for them, could it not be proposed that the loss to the Vikings gave the Packers just about everything they wanted?

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  • Matt Ryan average really? Ponder and Flacco yes, but Ryan? Trent Dilfer of the 2000 Ravens was the most average of all ( but he had the second best defence in NFL history) then Joe Namath 1969 Jets (for basically being Broadway Joe), close third is your boy, Brad Johnson of the Buccs.

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    • I’ll give you Matt Ryan as an above average QB when he wins a playoff game. And it probably won’t be this year.

      Can’t disagree with Dilfer, Namath or Johnson as your top (or bottom) three either.

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