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Opinion: Allow Kidney his 6 Nations farewell but new coach is needed for summer tour

It would be pointless to have an outgoing coach take a young Irish squad to play America and Canada in June.

Declan Kidney is out of contract in the summer.
Declan Kidney is out of contract in the summer.
Image: ©INPHO/Morgan Treacy

THE QUESTIONS ABOUT Declan Kidney’s future as Ireland coach been lingering for 18 months but were asked on national television for the first time yesterday.

Claire McNamara of RTÉ asked Kidney if he felt under pressure after Ireland contrived to have 71% possession and still lose to Scotland. He chose to forgo the query.

The coach stated that it was his job to focus on the next game and McNamara, mercifully for the Cork man, left it at that.

When TheScore.ie asked Kidney, following Ireland’s 60-0 humiliation in New Zealand last summer, if he was the man to lead Ireland to trophy success, he bristled before responding:

“It’s an honour to coach your country. I’ve been asked to coach them and I will continue to coach them.”

Kidney is contracted to to continue in his honoured role until the end of Ireland’s summer tour to North America but, with the Six Nations a forlorn dot in the distance, he would do his country a better service by stepping aside after the Six Nations.

Summer tour

14 points have been scored in 160 minutes in two defeats to England and Scotland. The Irish Independent reported in the lead-up to the England game that Kidney would be given a contract extension if he could mastermind a home win over Stuart Lancaster’s men.

The very idea seems whimsical now.

The Grand Slam win in 2009 and his services to Irish rugby should allow the former Munster coach to remain in the helm until after the Six Nations finale, away to Italy, in Rome.

Joe Schmidt and Conor O’Shea, respective coaches of Leinster and Harlequins, would be the two candidates at the top of Irish rugby supporter’s wishlists. Mark McCall is also doing a fine job as coach at Saracens.

Sizeable pay and compensation fees would have to be stumped up by the IRFU.

Whoever the new coach is, they would benefit more by overseeing a young Irish squad taking on the USA and Canada this summer rather than a man who will be assessing the next stage of his career.

Kidney deserves the chance to go out on a high against France and Italy but it is then time to move on.

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Rob Kearney reflects on Ireland’s latest defeat. (Lynne Cameron/PA Wire.)

Truth be told

Jamie Heaslip kept his post-match buoyancy in check for the first time after the devastating loss at Murrayfield but still managed to claim that Ireland were in ‘a good but mixed place’.

That comment sums up the indecisiveness that dogged the Irish performance in Edinburgh. Paddy Jackson had slightly more than zero trust placed in his kicking abilities in the first half as penalties were kicked for lineouts that, more often than not, were lost.

Donncha O’Callaghan called the decision to shift Brian O’Driscoll out of the Irish captaincy as “marketing” and one moment late in the game left no-one in doubt as to who was calling the shots.

Ireland were awarded a penalty just outside the Scottish 22 with three minutes on the clock. Jamie Heaslip, the current captain, was absent from the decision-making process that saw O’Gara kick for the line and an Irish lineout that was won but did not lead to a score. O’Driscoll called the shots on the play.

The selection of Jackson was merited, especially after Ronan O’Gara’s ill-fated cameo, but he has not kicked regularly for Ulster ever since Ruan Pienaar returned from international duty with the Springboks.

It makes the omission of Fergus McFadden, a reliable place kicker and a versatile back, from the matchday 23 all the more glaring.

Perhaps McFadden can get the break he deserves under a new coach this summer while the likes of Cian Healy and Rob Kearney are shelving Irish woes and focusing on winning a Lions series in Australia.

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Comments (61 Comments)

  • I’m sorry but doesn’t anybody realise Scotland are rubbish. They couldn’t believe their luck when this Ireland team decided to play worse in the 2nd half. 1. Kidney hasn’t moved this team on since the grand slam even tho rugby has changed. 2 his treatment of O’Driscoll over the captaincy has been nothing short of disgraceful. His selection policy over the last couple of years has been too conservative. He has to go

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  • Kidney should go after this tournament, I have great respect for him as a rugby professional and would hate to see him be remembered as a man who outstaid his welcome. On the captaincy matter , I believe the time was right to relieve BOD but for me Rory Best or Sexton should be captain. I’m a Leinster supporter and firmly believe Heaslip should be warming the bench for a few games to reignite his passion for the game.

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  • I’d rather shit in me hands & clap than look at the back pages or sports news websites today. I feel a bit like George Lee, predicting doom & gloom in Irish rugby since late 2010 early 2011.

    Kidney’s regime has failed. It’s great he managed to push us over in 2009 and bring home a grand slam but what have we got to show for it since then? The provinces flourish while the national set up meanders along with one big win every 4 matches.

    I fear France in two weeks time. PSA is also a man who has is head in the block with the guillotine primed and ready. The difference being the French have a resilience we don’t. Much like the RWC, it won’t be the coach leading that team it’ll be Dussatoir, Picamoles, Pape, Parra… We’ll be clutching at straws with senior players not performing. Rory Best’s line outs are awful. Heaslip looks out of his depth, even the infallible BOD has failed to be talismanic. Injury crisis only gets a certain amount of excuses. If Kidney tried to blood new talent or mixed it up outside of an injury crisis we may be slightly better off in the test experience world. If Keith Earls starts against France I’ll cry.

    I hope I’m wrong but Ireland face a serious probability of finishing rock bottom.

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  • The man has no honour, he should have resigned..he needs to go he has lost the confidence of the players and the public..Ireland on course for the wooden spoon is a disgrace

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    • All is not lost this year yet at all, French are there for the taking, they are the ones who are really on course for wooden spoon with a 0/3 record and the Italians although tough enough should be taken by us, we had a great victory over Wales the title holders and the English and Scots games were in the mix right up to the death so hold you’re horses there on the character assassination and the doom gloom analysis. There is a lot of new blood in this team and the likes of the injuries we’ve been shipping haven’t been seen in recent times. Come next year the likes of Marshall, Gilroy and Jackson will spread out their shoulders a little more and be a major force on the international stage. We have a lot to thank Kidney for in this time of transition. Also for a man who brought us to our first grand slam in most supporters living memory to be described as having no honour is some kind of sick joke and for 126 people to support this blasé kicking to the kerb, worse again!

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    • You can’t get the wooden spoon unless you’ve lost all your matches!

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    • Yes u can. Wooden spoon is for bottom team, there’s one every year. Your thinking of a whitewash.

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  • P45 Declan.

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  • At this stage, all that can be said on this topic has been said.

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  • macca 25/02/13 #

    Ireland need some fresh new ideas! Agreed they should of won yesterday but didnt and that’s the issue! Also on one final note with Jackson! For all that he could be good at, if he can’t kick he can’t play! It’s as simple as that

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    • Macca, my fellow Tipp man, you probably have never heard of Paul Deane, he was a fabulous Irish out half who was capped many times and never kicked at goal.

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    • macca 25/02/13 #

      We don’t have another goal kicker that’s the issue! R u just wanting to play somone just so he can place kick? Lol madigan good all round player and can kick! He deserves his shot! Jackson can’t place kick for nuts

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  • BMJF 25/02/13 #

    Have to agree with an earlier comment – Deckie was a great coach but game has moved on and he has moved too slowly to move with it. I don’t blame him for trying Jackson but when he’s not kicking for Ulster how did he expect him to react to taking kicking duties in the biggest match of his career. Given that he hadnt foresight to start McFadden as back up kicker, he left it too late to bring in O’Gara. Bringing in O’Gara when Scots had gone ahead & gained momentum was too late!!! If O’G had come on when we were ahead instead of chasing he cud have done what he does best – control the game & protect the lead. All in all Jackson looked rudderless & Heaslip wasn’t far behind. Personally I’d have gone for Madigan over Jackson as he has more maturity!!

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  • Even my Granny would have been able to pop a pass on the inside in the knowledge that BOD was coming through for a certain score, Say no more.

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  • Lets face it Heaslip shouldn’t feature on the field let alone as captain. We have better bak row options.

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  • I think O’Shea only just signed a new contract with Quins. Cud cost a lot of cash just to buy him out of it alone. Same with Joe Schmidt.

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    • O’shea would be mad to take the job now in fairness, it could easily put a dent in the reputation he’s after building for himself, would like to see him grind out a few more years at club level before he has to deal with Irish level of expectation

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  • Kidney is responsible for selection and tactics, there has been a paradigm shift in the game since Ireland won the GS. Kidney only knows how to play conservatively which is and has always been highlighted in his selections. The turnover has predominantly been enforced, we played with ROG on the bench in all the Ai’s last year when both Jackson and the form outhalf in the country Madigan could have experienced game time rather than flogging the life out of a dead horse, the hallmark of Kidney’s reign. Hayes/Buckley being other examples, DOC a great servant to Irish rugby should have been left out of the Ai’s and tours. BOD should not have been played in every game and nor should Darcy. We play running rugby with a scrumhalf who is told to slow the ball down as not to risk being too expansive. Kidneys tactics have been an unmitigated disaster bar the odd game here and there, if it’s not the tactics how can you explain the difference in playing styles between players, playing provincial rugby and how they perform in green. If you think that Leinster would be a weaker team without Nacewa and wouldn’t have won the HC’s then clearly you don’t understand the nature of rugby and the fact it’s a team game.

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  • Kidney should go now. Conor o Shea should get the job so he can blood his team and BOD should be reinstated as captain immediately..
    Declan has taken this team as far as he can.

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    • That assumes that BOD doesn’t retire at the end of this six nations, which may yet happen.

      Unfortunately, unlike the last 10 years when we had 2 potential captains in the team, it looks like we have none for coming years.

      Heaslip hasn’t been doing a great job and it also seems to be affecting his general play.

      While there are some young players who may rise to the role after they have nailed a place in the team, the only player who looks like he may be an immediate possibility for replacing Heaslip is Donnacha Ryan

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    • Best, Kearney, Ryan and for the future O’Mahony. All potential captains and without a doubt better options that Heaslip

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    • Elrat 25/02/13 #

      Best shouldn’t be on the bloody bench

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    • Elrat – could you explain to me what exactly was the difference between the throws that Best was throwing in the first half as compared to those he threw in the second half. In my opninion they appeared to be exactly the same throws. What I did notice was that firstly our lads failed to lift and jump frequently, note my earlier comments regarding Ryan who was completely bemused that he wasnt lifted to a ball he was expecting to be lifted for, and secondly the lads in the line-out allowed Jim Hamilton to bully and harrass them. Bests throws in the second hal were spot on and we won our line-outs – didnt that also coincide with Hamilton being replaced. Seems there are many people with rose tinted glasses

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  • On the field, a complete shambles. Unable to kick their field goals, lack of someone in authority and Earls deserved the bollicking he got from O’Driscoll. Stop focusing on past glories. We had players out there who were capable of winning yesterday but unfortunately from the top down there is nobody who seems to be able to show them the way. As for being unlucky, do me a favour.

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  • Jackson is in danger of having his confidence seriously undermined because coaches are putting him into situation he cannot yet handle. He completely bottled it in Twickenham for the Heineken Cup final and he did the same yesterday. He needs to go away, like Madigan did a few years ago, and learn to kick.

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  • If Earles had half a rugby brain he’d be a world class player.

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    • Agreed – what was he thinking running towards the touchline when he had O Driscoll support on the inside? He had done the hard work at that stage by breaking the defensive line

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  • Should be a cracking atmosphere at the Aviva for the French game

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  • Oh and best coaches Ireland have had, his results with one of the best squads we have ever had would tell a far different story, a few good results here and there do not make a good coach. We won a GS but have been in a steady decline ever since, the game moved on and Deccie couldn’t move with it!

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  • I would blame the players more than Declan Kidney for this loss, for all their possession they can have only themselves to blame no matter what the game plan was

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  • Sometimes the one eyed monsters talk some dung. Yes Jackson had a poor day but as was said BEFORE the match it was other parts of his game he was brought in for and he performed them admirably. Rory Best was throwing balls, under instruction, to a group of lads MOST of whom didnt even bother their over paid arses to jump for the damn thing. So with a useless line-out squad and a poor kicker we were doomed regardless. The image of Ryan standing at the back of a line-out just before half time with complete bewilderment on his face as he wasnt being lifted spoke more than a 1000 words. We were clueless in attack. BUT for God’s sake Earls was ruthlessly selfish and BOD bloody well told him so. If he’d passed to BOD, a try was an absolute definite and the game was over. The kids in the team performed well under the circumstances and some fine breaks were made. We were slow to back up and sooooooooo slow at the breakdown at times Scotland put the damn kettle on.

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    • Elrat 25/02/13 #

      Again see my comment above – all blaming earls for not passing to ODriscoll but ODriscoll did exactly the same when he had earls outside him – NOBODY saw that! What was ODriscoll doing at the base of the scrum on the Scotland line – Murray was there – was he looking for glory instead of being in his no 13 position?

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    • Only you can blame someone else other than earls for what earls did or didn’t do.
      As for O’driscoll looking for glory? I refer back to the two golden chances for earls to pass the ball.
      Elrat you only see Munster players and your hatred for all things Leinster makes me feel sorry for you.

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    • Elrat 25/02/13 #

      I am looking for a balanced account which I cannot obviously get from the Lonstor Goys but ODriscoll was as much to blame as earls for not passing when he should have – simple !

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    • Ask Zebo if Brian O’Driscoll passes the ball or not

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  • The suits on Lansdowne Road to remain consistent with their current provincial policy and appoint a foreign coach…… If…… they ask Declan to step down…..

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  • Jesus it was a super day today

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  • Elwood is stepping down to spend more time with family so i doubt it and I also doubt he’d be in the running. It’s likely to be a SH coach the only NH coach that would probably be considered is O’Shea.

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  • It’s typical , we lose and it’s kidneys fault. There were some dreadful decisions made by the players in the pitch and that’s why we were defeated . Kidney is lashed for not making changes and when he does and it some key players perform badly he’s lashed again . Eddie OSullivan all over again . If we have a bad run like we have it can only get better but not by replacing one of the best coaches ireland an Munster ever had .

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    • If kidney had used the tours and the Ai’s to blood young players, the injuries would not have been as big an issue. Blind loyalty has always been Kidneys failing, ROG should have been replaced after the World Cup with an understudy to Sexton being groomed and that is just one of many.

      Schmidt won’t take the job, he wants to return to NZ when his current contract ends, for family and also his ambition to coach the All Blacks. That really only leaves O’Shea.

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    • Elwood maybe, not sure what his situation is but he is out of a job in may?

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    • Kidney gets the credit for 2 Heineken cups and a grand slam so he can take the flack for the downright failure of the last 3 years

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  • Give it a break. Ireland is still playing our best rugby ever. We have a very small pool to pick from and when injury hits, some people believe a new man at the helm would somehow help the lads cross the line. We are unlucky this six nations… That’s all.

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  • Who would be a coach – all the screaming on threads like this about having Jackson or Madigan instead of O’Gara before the match and now all the screaming about why he didn’t pick someone else… Jayz its exhausting. Kidney was not on the pitch. The game plan was fine – that is why Ireland had 80% of the territory and possession.
    After missing that try in the first ten minutes “the goys” on the pitch, including St. Brian,went to pieces. Heaslip has proved at this stage he is no captain – I’m not even sure he should be on the pitch – and went AWOL in the last quarter. O’Mahony might have it for the future but I’m not sure. Darcy’s replacement has arrived though, in the form of Marshall and that should be that. Easy for BOD to scream at Earls but he could equally scream at himself… maybe that is what he was doing.

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    • You would gladly give Kidney credit for everything he has achieved but want to blame the players for all the failings? why? Ireland have gone steadily backwards under Kidney’s reign, have failed to reproduce the form and style of play that Ulster and Leinster have played in the HC but the coaching, tactics and selections are right? Your logic is inherently flawed. The game changed fundamentally and Kidney was not able to adapt, his record as a coach since the GS is truly appalling.

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    • Elrat 25/02/13 #

      Well said Sean!

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    • No you misread – but everybody jumps on the bandwagon to blame Kidney when there are at least 15 others who share the blame – if you are truly objective you will recognise the turnover in the squad since 2009 and Kidney has brought people in and on but you can’t make silk purses out of sows ears. Take Pienaar out of Ulster and Nacewa out of Leinster (just two – we could talk the rest) and then ask those teams to play the way they are playing.. Remember what happened to Ulster when the Yarpie contingent were away in the Autumn? All I am saying is Kidney does not have sole responsibility – this is not wendy ball.

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