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Declan Kidney’s Pros and Cons list ahead of crunch IRFU meeting

After almost five years at the helm, the Cork native may have coached his last Ireland game.

Consistency levels have been low since 2010.
Consistency levels have been low since 2010.
Image: Niall Carson/PA Wire.

FOLLOWING ON FROM Ireland’s worst Six [and Five] Nations campaign since 1998, head coach Declan Kidney will meet with IRFU officials.

The meeting, between Kidney and the union’s five-man National Team Review Group, is set to take place this afternoon.

Speaking after he witnessed his side fall to their first ever Six Nations defeat to Italy, on Saturday, the coach admitted that he would have to think about putting his name forward for a contract renewal.

He said, “I’d have to sit down and think about whether I want a new contract. These guys are a pleasure to work with but, beyond that, I’d have to sit back and think about it.”

Although no decision should be expected in the immediate aftermath of today’s confab, the former Munster coach may have the decision taken out of his hands.

To give clarity to today’s discussions, we have weighed up the Pros and Cons we expect to be thrashed out between Ireland’s top rugby brass.

PROS

  • In 2009, under his charge, Kidney and Ireland delivered the country’s first Grand Slam in 61 years.
  • Defeated the world champion Springboks at Croke Park in 2009.
  • Ireland defeated Australia, a Southern Hemisphere side, during the World Cup.

Head Coach Declan Kidney after the match 17/9/2011

Kidney salutes the fans at Eden Park following Ireland’s 15-6 win over Australia at the World Cup. (©INPHO/Billy Stickland)

  • An exciting brand of attacking rugby was unveiled in successive wins over Argentina and Wales.
  • Selection gambles over young players Conor Murray, Simon Zebo and Craig Gilroy paid off.
  • Came a Dan Carter drop goal away from a draw with the world champion All Blacks.
  • He has blooded a number of players that should benefit Irish rugby in the coming years.
  • Has the 100% backing of the whole squad, according to Ireland captain Jamie Heaslip.

CONS

  • Ireland blew a chance at qualifying for a World Cup semi-final when Kidney was tactically out-manouvred by Wales’ coach Warren Gatland.
  • The Irish scrum has been creaking ever since he took charge and overly reliant on Leinster’s Cian Healy and Mike Ross. Lineout has struggled this year.
  • The team never kicked on after the Grand Slam win, finishing second, third, third and fifth in the Six Nations.

Declan Kidney 16/3/2013

Kidney reflects on his side’s 22-15 loss to Italy. (©INPHO/Billy Stickland)

  • The team has been guilty of second-half engine stalls for the past 18 months, costing them wins over South Africa, New Zealand and France.
  • Presided over Ireland’s biggest international defeat, a 60-0 humbling against New Zealand.
  • Man management issues: Called up Paddy Wallace from a Portuguese beach when Darren Cave was in New Zealand, admitted that he had not been in contact with any Premiership-based players this season, dropped Ronan O’Gara while Jonathan Sexton was extremely doubtful for the France game.
  • Consistency has been a major problem ever since the golden year of 2009. His team has failed to string big wins together.
  • Ireland are 9th in the world – their lowest position since IRB rankings were introduced.

Opinion: Ireland’s fall down to more than just injuries and ‘atrocious’ Kidney

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Comments (33 Comments)

  • Kidney is a good manager but sometimes things just needs freshening up. His first big mistake was taking the captaincy from BOD & his second was giving it to JH. Kidney should be thanked for his effort & success & not ridiculed or insulted.

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  • Kidney is a good coach and has brought Ireland as far as he can, sure he made a few mistakes but all coaches do. Time for a change now. I do hope we get a serious coach that gets Ireland competitive again and who focuses on picking form players, i.e. not afraid of dropping big named players. I would like to see more competition for places too. Need a clean out of a few players also, so basically we need a new team, new coach & new captain.

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    • That’s the thing, Kidney is a fine coach, there’s no point in trying to replace him unless they are confident of getting someone as well qualified in his place. A lot of people criticising kidney are going over the top. Sure he made some mistakes but all coaches have to make hard calls, not all of them will work out. Eddie o Sullivan said after his time tenure that the IRFU put serious pressure on to win every match, so much so that it makes it very hard to bring in new players. I’d expect that hasn’t changed since. It’s easy to sit here and say he stuck with o’gara too long but hindsight is wonderful.

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    • I agree.

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  • Just like great players, great managers and even politicians can spend too long at the helm until they just fizzle out,the end results are not pretty to watch,which just confirms what we already know,that if a transfusion of new blood is not fortcoming or delayed,every organisation will just wither and die.

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  • Kidney’s gone. Between results, the captaincy and the handling of ROG the media and public are against him, the IRFU have to scapegoat somebody for this year and it won’t be themselves.

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  • Kidney does not accept criticism and even after an atrocious performance he will still defend his decisions and his players. Thats the most frustrating thing about him for me.

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  • Tyhink declan should have been gone after world cup wales defeat,no plan B when gatland outwitted him by taking out ferris and obrien,should have knew what warren was going to do and just let it happen.
    Also think he lacks passion and too soft spoken need manager with bit of push,did well at start but now his tactics are outdated need good bok or aussie in his place

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  • Deckav 20/03/13 #

    Kidney ran the last leg of Eddie O’Sullivans marathon and was fortunate to be in the right place at the right time.
    Since he took over our results have worsened every year.
    He must go and the IRFU must dig very deep to get a world class coach and assistants. Drop Foley from the coaching set up too.

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  • His selection ‘gambles’ and ‘blooding’ of new players were down to injuries….they were forced decisions. His biggest con is of course our lack of consistency… Followed by a stubbornness to flog dead horses like hayes and rog.
    His time its most certainly up.

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    • The same dead horse Hayes who completely destroyed a South African prop (and then ate his replacement for dessert) in one of the last matches of his career?

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    • Hey, don’t go using facts to back up your point! This is an Internet discussion. :)

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    • The facts are that Kidney has the worst record of an Irish coach since the mid 90′s. EOS delivered far more in terms of success. We have slipped to our lowest world ranking ever, and our worst performance in a 6 nations in 15 years.

      He stuck with ROG in the autumn internationals, when he should have been blooding young players as and understudy to Sexton. He has never adjusted to the changes in the games laws and has absolutely no idea at all how to use the bench tactically. Leaving the entire front row on for 75+ minutes against France once again proving this point.

      Those the sort of facts you don’t like having brought up?

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    • mattoid 20/03/13 #

      “EOS has delivered more in terms of success”…
      Care to elaborate?

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    • Deckav 20/03/13 #

      @Mattoid
      O’Sullivan coached Ireland to THREE Triple Crowns, and so nearly secured Ireland’s first ever Six Nations Championship at the end of 2006/2007 season, only to be beaten into second place in the last minute by France.
      @Stephen Nolan summed up Kidneys reign perfectly “We have slipped to our lowest world ranking ever, and our worst performance in a 6 nations in 15 years”

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  • When was the last run of consistent results Ireland had against top opposition? A few individual stand out games since the Grand Slam do not make a valid reason for keeping Kidney on. Nor does his track record given how poor Ireland have been in the past 4 years. Oh, he won trophies with Munster and led us to a Grand Slam… no denying that, brilliant. But that was a long time ago now lads. You’re into the U2 haven’t been good since Achtung Baby kind of debate there. Bottom line, since 2010, Kidney has consistently been inconsistent and failed to see an Ireland team progress. An Ireland team that is littered with the talents of players who have dominated in European club rugby.

    Kidney will be remembered as a great coach, I have doubts about that but there comes a point when even the greats have to say I can do no more. If you look at the 40 odd players who have made their debut under Kidney, you see a huge percentage of them who where either natural successors to a retiree or, lads who debuted in tours to America or against minnows like Fiji (No disrespect to huge Fijian following on The Journal…) and have not been seen in green since, Ian Witten, Ryan Cladwell, Ian Keatley, Ronan Loughney, Mike Bent… if you’re thinking ‘who’? to any of those names then you’ve proved my point.

    The three people I’d tip towards taking over; Ruddock, Mckenzie or a complete outside punt, Lievermont.

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  • Time to move on, 1 grand slam which comes with a triple crown, and nothing since. After that plenty of false dawns. I think the 2 decisions that I really find hard to understand Wallace being brought to NZ to play the All Blacks and Brian no longer captain. Kidney is still trying to justify the captaincy, he let Brian down but you have to say Brian did not let kidney down. Lets move on now forget this 6 nations and prepare for the autumn internationals with fresh team.

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  • Glad to learn that Australia are “a Southern Hemisphere side”. Keep up the good work!

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  • Go! Simple!

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  • A few times Ireland were a bounce of a ball away from winning the 6n or G.S under Eddie, Kidney came in with Eddies team and got fierce lucky, B.o.d try vs England and Jones’ s missed peno in Cardiff. Even when Ireland won the Slam it wasn’t with super rugby.

    In recent games Ireland have done great-ok in the first half and somehow become impotent in the second half it’s totally infuriating.We need change! and I would question the psychological mindset of some players, Sean o Brien commenting on other nations being physically bigger, such a defeatist attitude, Leinster and Munster have done it with the bulk of the Irish squad.

    Why can’t they do it in green? Welsh clubs do terrible but the passion and commitment in the Welsh national team is immense. Im sick of the Golden generation tag too the Welsh must piss themselves laughing comparing grandslams and 6n won since the 6nations started.

    Ireland under Kidney have regressed and are now worse than before he took over.IRFU need a new man to take Ireland forward and rebuild.

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  • Ireland made a mistake in zapping Gatland, dont make the same mistake with Kidney.

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  • Could we not just do the decent thing and drive him up to the Sally Gap and let him out the back door of the car???

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  • I like kidney,but he hasn’t moved squad forward from grand-slam in terms of blooded young players and our style rugby is poor,i.e. stupid box kicks and kicking ball away cheaply!!His had his time and its up!! Look else where southern hemisphere coach I think!!

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  • Who would you replace Declan with? Player manager Brian o Driscoll is the dream. But who else?

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