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Campaign to retain Declan Kidney for 2015 World Cup gathers momentum

A positive spin on Ireland’s prospects is emerging from the team camp ahead of the Six Nations finale.

Declan Kidney chats to journalists Joe O'Callaghan and Gerry Thornley in 2010.
Declan Kidney chats to journalists Joe O'Callaghan and Gerry Thornley in 2010.
Image: INPHO/Billy Stickland

A QUESTION ABOUT blooding new players was broached in the last rites of Ireland’s press briefing at Carton House on Monday.

Assistant coach Les Kiss pounced on it. He replied, “If anyone got a chance to look inside how things have being going for the last six to eight weeks, and even the November series, we’ve had to handle those challenges.

“I think everyone would be nothing but impressed by the group of guys that have taken on the challenges that have been thrown at them. We’re not ones to throw our hands in the air about injuries and all those things.”

Kiss added, “The guys have put their heads down and working hard and, to tell you the truth, they deserve a bit more than what’s been coming.”

Speaking on Newstalk’s Off The Ball last night, host Ger Gilroy told guest Brian O’Driscoll that Ireland ‘could very easily be heading into this [Italy] match with a Grand Slam on the line’.

O’Driscoll spoke about a range of issues, from retirement talk to his new daughter, Sadie, and responded to a question about ‘negativity and gloom’ about the Irish rugby team.

“Players read newspapers,” he said. “They are asked, at press conferences, questions and when they see the negative spin being put out – not being asked many positive questions – that has an effect, for sure.”

Ireland have won one game from four and have managed just 30 points from their last 280 minutes [three and a half matches] of rugby.

Declan Kidney 4/3/32013

Kidney has been vociferous in his defence of the Irish team in recent weeks. (©INPHO/Billy Stickland)

The head coach himself, Declan Kidney, came out on Saturday, following his side’s 13-13 draw with France, with his strongest defence of the team in over a year.

He declared, “[The players and management team] haven’t bitched or complained or moaned about anything.

Everything that has been thrown at them they have just kind of taken it. and to put your foot forward and to be creating what you are doing, that actually adds to the frustration. It is not like everything is steady going into it. That is why I would have to speak up for them.

“They are down now but that is a measure of how they push themselves too. I think in another time, the team will be so much stronger than what is going on at the moment.”

There are two ways of looking at this – either Kidney, with a contract expiring in the summer, is preparing to step away from the Irish set-up soon or he is getting his defence out in the open now and hoping to stay on until the World Cup in 2015.

4-year cycles

Alan Quinlan and Gerry Thornley, who both write, often excellently, for the Irish Times, were guests on Off The Ball’s rugby segment last night and discussed the coaching options.

Quinlan, the ex-Munster and Ireland flanker, argued that Kidney had not enjoyed much luck with some of his selections this season. He has defended his former coach on numerous occasions in the past but admitted ‘there will probably be a new coach’.

Thornley pointed out a “ridiculous” injury situation that, by his count, had denied Kidney the services of 12 Test-level players.

He believes Harlequins coach Conor O’Shea will honour his commitment to the Aviva Premiership club and is not convinced that Leinster coach Joe Schmidt would be tempted by the role, preferring to return to his native New Zealand in 2014.

There might be a case, Thornley commented, for promoting Kiss to the top job. He also argued the merits of four-year cycles and ‘this coaching ticket staying on until the World Cup’.

A contract extension was also mooted in the Irish Independent before Ireland played England at Lansdowne Road last month. A lot has changed since then.

*What do you think? Should the IRFU retain Kidney’s services or find a new coach this summer?

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  • I think it would be a total disaster for Ireland and the IRFU

    He has presided over multiple Fiasco’s
    and has shown an arrogance (despite his false humility when interviewed) and an inability to identify and bring through talent unless it was forced upon him.

    1. Persisted with John Hayes and Buckley leaving Mike Ross in the cold until he had no option left
    2. persisted with TOL as his no1 despite him being second choice at munster until he imploded multiple times then jettisoned him entirely from squad just before the World Cup, practically did the same to ROG leaving us with the two other form out halfs both with 0 caps because he never bothered to give them any experience
    3. Didnt appoint a dedicated backs coach instead
    4. Hired his buddy foley despite him having a basically 0 credentials
    5. We have played atrocious rugby for nearly his entire 4 year tenure bar 4 matches the rest was head in hands
    6. If Ireland didnt have those injuries none of the new caps would have happened he gets no credit IMO for those selections as evidenced by poor Reddan having to break his leg before Paul marshell gets a look in
    7. Never picks on form despite claiming the opposite and makes substitutions based on the time not what’s happening on the pitch

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    • 8. Won Ireland’s first grand slam in how many years.
      9. Ireland beat Australia in a World Cup

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    • 8. Incredible achievement but not even a triple crown since. Not acceptable.

      9. Again incredible performance but than he dropped sexton and got so out thought by gatland it was embarrassing, and we end up hammered by Wales.

      Erratic performances not enough. He has to go

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    • Foley has done well as defensive coach in fairness .. That was a goos move

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    • Hear, hear!!!!

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    • Hear, hear to the points Diarmuid Cavanagh made, I meant.

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    • Do I detect an element of “OMG goyz, that totes bogger’s having a ‘mare, there’s not enough Lenster goyz in the team, if we can win the Heino the Six Nations should be easy. Let’s give Joe Shmidt a call, the goyz a totes logend.”

      Wrong on all counts.

      The problem with the Six Nations is that Ireland don’t have the physicality to face off with particularly England and France for 80 minutes. The rate of attrition from those two games this year tells its own story.

      People complain about the style Ireland have played, but again there’s a big difference between Leinster cutting swathes through the likes of Zebre and the defensive intensity of the Six Nations.

      I’m not necessarily trying to defend Kidney, there are some valid criticisms here. But there’s also some unrealistic expectations and a bit of a sense of entitlement at play.

      Most importantly, though, who’s willing to replace him?

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    • Like everything other article on Irish Rugby some troll turns it into a Leinster V Munster thing.

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    • voodoo_criminology
      How do you explain the success the Welsh have had? Three grand Slams in less than a decade and challenging again for a championship this year on top of WC semi final and yet they’re not the biggest or most powerful team in the world. Then again they have a innovative coach.
      If anybody is dragging this debate down to a Leinster/Munster slagging match, it’s you. Not all of us in Leinster speak like your fantasy D4 stereotype. Have a listen to Sean O’Brien for example.

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    • Ok, so maybe that was a little trollish, but I do see much of the criticism of Kidney as very much a Leinster v. Munster thing. How often do you see people slamming Kidney for picking Keith Earls? Heard heavy criticism for picking Zebo and Gilroy for the Wales game over Fitzgerald and McFadden, which was just ridiculous imho.

      Kidney hasn’t done outstandingly well, but he hasn’t done as badly as people like to make out. Much and all as people may try, our only Six Nations win can’t be taken away from him. I personally would have no problem seeing him stay in the job ’till 2015, in the absence of any other outstanding candidates putting themselves forward.

      Our biggest problem is a lack of physicality, above and beyond any criticisms of the playing style or blooding new players – if you look at how we’ve performed in the last quarter of recent games, and the amount of injuries we’ve been carrying over the past couple of years, I think it bears me out. Manager can’t be blamed for that.

      Btw, I’m Connaught, so I really don’t have much of a vested interest here.

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    • @ Pat

      Wales wings v. Ireland:

      George North:
      Height 1.94 m (6 ft 4 in)
      Weight 109 kg (17 st 2 lb)

      Alex Cuthbert:
      Height 198 cm (6 ft 6 in)
      Weight 108 kg (17 st 0 lb)

      Ireland wings v. Wales:

      Simon Zebo:
      Height 1.88 m (6 ft 2 in)
      Weight 94 kg (14 st 11 lb)

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    • Craig Gilroy:

      Height 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m)
      Weight (93 kg)(14 st 9 lbs)

      What really brought it home to me was when France brought on Bastareaud and Vahaamahina with 20 minutes to go.

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    • @voodoo_criminology

      If you were you’d know it is “Connacht’..not Connaught

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    • They won a grand slam with shane williams too. To blame it all on size is disengenuous. Having a plan makes a bigger difference.

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    • Regarding your comment re his buddy “Foley” Diarmuid, Anthony Foley has presided over a top class defense in this 6 nations. Ireland’s defensive display won the 1st game v Wales, kept us in the game v England & was heroic v France. Anthony since he retired has worked his way up from the Munster Academy & Munster A , bringing Peter O’Mahony , Simon Zebo, David Kilcoyne, Stephen Archer, Conor Murray, Tommy O’Donnell, Paddy Butler along with him to Munster 1st team. He started out as the Munster defense coach before he became the Forwards coach. Diarmuid , I firmly believe we need a new head coach but please take off the blue tinted glasses & get your facts right before you dish any of the Irish management team or Anthony Foley…..

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    • Lost to Scotland this year… Enough said

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    • Is that the same Wales that Ireland beat?

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    • Elrat 15/03/13 #

      Carlow Farmer enough said !

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    • Elrat 15/03/13 #

      In reply to p Allen

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    • Elrat 15/03/13 #

      Shane Williams ???!!!

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    • If you can’t take away the Wales win from kidney then you also can’t take away from the losses to Scotland and England. Equally a team in control v France winning without them putting us under pressure kidney takes off the player who was causing the French the most grief.
      Sorry kidney is no longer able to take out country to where it should be.
      Now if you think that’s a Leinster bias well then there’s not much hope for us.

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  • Quite possibly the most ridiculous news I have heard this year. Typical Irish mentality, stick and put up with the same outdated, uninspiring and tactless forms of management. Same applies to most of our political decisions, Irish soccer management, bankers etc….We were once a country where educated people made educated decisions. Keeping an outdated, tactless and uninspiring manager like Kidney is typical of how we as Irish people have developed a fear to allow young fresh intellectual minds inspire in our society.

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  • Retaining kidney would be a huge mistake in my opinion. This team have been very well served by kidney overall but it badly needs some new ideas and impetus. We have become flat and without a clear game plan, bar a few exceptions (Australia in the WC, England in 2011 6n for example) and a change would do everyone good. He should be thanked and a replacement should be found. Ideally though the IRFU should have started looking 6 months ago to keep their options open.

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    • Don’t forget this is worst injury crisis we have ever faced and deccie took the captaincy off of our greatest ever player and gave it to someone who thinks the possibility of a wooden spoon is something to joke about with the media. He also dropped two leaders from the squad when it’s clear leadership is a problem. I have spent thousands following irish rugby, but if the coach is going to treat it’s heroes like dirt, and if the irfu doesn’t stand up for them, then my money will be spent on provincial rugby.

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  • This has to be a wind up !

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  • Ger Gilroy told guest Brian O’Driscoll that Ireland ‘could very easily be heading into this [Italy] match with a Grand Slam on the line’.
    This is true. If we hadn’t lost to England and Scotland and drawn with France that is. If my granny had balls……

    Kidney has always had his followers in the media with Thornley in particular acting as his director of communications. The last four years have been failures with one good performance each year enough to deflect attention from the fact that tactically Kidney has been left behind. In all likelihood the last four years of the international careers of great players like BOD, ROG and D’arcy have been wasted due to inadequate coaching. That first year was great but since then it’s been pretty awful. If they win against Italy Ireland will have a 50% win rate in the Six Nations over 4 seasons. That’s the kind of mediocrity that is enough for some. Although they’re very quick to have a go at Rob Penney when things don’t go so well in Munster.

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  • Please no. If this man picks another Irish team after today I’ll be very upset.
    We need to go forward.
    We can’t score in the second half of a game, a time when defences are stretched and weakened.
    All this talk of blooding new players is bull the only reason we have new players is because of injuries.
    His treatment of senior players is very poor. Stripping Bod of the captaincy the way he did was wrong and how he discarded rog was even worse.
    If the irfu are stupid enough to let Irish rugby slip even further god only knows what will happen to that stadium. The soccer mob can’t fill the ground because of the poor managers they have employed and I can tell you there will be empty seats at next years 6N’s games. Who’s going to pay to watch that Irish team V Scotland, Wales and Italy and the november internationals may as well be held in donnybrook.

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  • This ‘campaign’ is coming from guys that have supported Kidney without any question all along.
    Quinlan hasn’t a bad word to say about him, while Thornley’s Gobbels role is in stark contrast to the amount of mud he slung at EOS.

    Basically Thornley went off on a rant last night with lots of jargon and no hard facts. He’s a spoofer, just like our hallowed manager.

    At a base level, could we do much worse with a new, inexperienced manager? At least there’d be some semblance of a gameplan.

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  • We riot, who’s the lad who’s in charge of the whole lets keep kidney thing?

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  • “Ireland played England at Twickenham last month”? Care to revise that statement?

    And keeping Kidney would be foolish in the extreme. The only reason Kidney has any youngsters in the squad (let alone the team) is due to injury. If he had his way, our team would be: Horan, Flannery, Hayes, POC, DOC, Leamy, Wallace, Foley, Murray, ROG, Hickey, D’Arcy, BOD, Trimble, Dempsey.

    His time is up, leave now while there’s still two six nations until the next world cup.

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