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5 things we learned from last night’s Ireland-Greece game

We assess some of the conclusions that can be derived from the 1-0 friendly loss.

1. Trapattoni shows further willingness to change (sort of)

(Ireland manager Giovanni Trapattoni and assistant manager Marco Tardelli – INPHO/Lorraine O’Sullivan)

Following the hints of encouragement in the recent defeat of the Faroes, there were more signs that the Ireland boss was willing to deviate from his old habits last night. As was the case in the recent World Cup qualifier, Ireland looked like a team who were encouraged to pass the ball, and Seamus Coleman surely gave the most attacking-minded performance that a full-back has ever produced for Ireland under Trap.

On the other hand, there were still several recognisable flaws – possession being conceded cheaply on a regular basis, a lack of urgency in Ireland’s play at times, substitutions that will have disappointed the majority of Irish fans (taking off Long instead of Cox, for example).

So are the pros or cons a truer reflection on Trapattoni’s future intentions as Ireland boss? It’s difficult to ascertain based on a single friendly match of course, but it seems as if Trap and the Irish team in general, are trying to adopt a more positive approach based on last night’s evidence.

Yet as with all rebuilding processes, much work will need to be done before this ostensible transformation comes to fruition – last night represented the first tentative steps of the drastic change that will hopefully occur gradually.

2. Some of Trapattoni’s reservations about certain players have been vindicated to an extent

(Ireland’s John O’Shea dejected after the game – INPHO/James Crombie)

If recent evidence is anything to go by, then Trapattoni was clearly wrong about ignoring players such as Wes Hoolahan and Seamus Coleman for so long. However, other selections that large sections of the media and fans had proposed are turning out to be less successful.

Moving John O’Shea to the centre of defence was widely considered to be the logical decision in light of Richard Dunne’s absence, and many even proposed that he remain there once Dunne returns, at the expense of the solid but unspectacular Sean St Ledger. Nonetheless, O’Shea has thus far failed to bring the experience and assured presence that many hoped he would provide in the role, and he was patently at fault for Greece’s goal last night.

Moreover, James McClean is another player who has so far been unable to meet the lofty expectations placed on his shoulder. Trap’s decision not to play him at the Euros seems wiser now. He demonstrated his immaturity in the Tweet-gate incident after the Kazakhstan match, and again there were flashes of his hot-headed nature amid little productivity last night. McClean let himself be provoked by an opposition player’s taunts at one point, causing friction between the sides and having to be dragged away from the controversy by a teammate.

Similarly, Ciaran Clark, despite impressing initially, was lucky to avoid being sent off for an extremely rash challenge on an opponent. Thus, while Trap’s failure to experiment sooner with certain players remains inexplicable, his references to others’ inexperience at international level occasionally rang true last night.

3. The Irish team is good enough to play possession football against top European sides

(Ireland improved following the introduction of Wes Hoolahan in the second half – INPHO/Lorraine O’Sullivan)

Ireland showed last night that they do have the players to play the type of possession football that many critics claim they are incapable of adopting.

Granted, Trap’s side were hardly beautiful to watch at any point, but the fact that they were willing to acquire a more positive mentality was cause for encouragement at the very least.

Ironically, while Ireland are often rewarded with a positive outcome despite producing a poor performance, in this instance, the opposite was the case.

Nevertheless, it should not be overlooked that the side were better than Greece, a Euro 2012 quarter-finalist, tellingly trumping them in the possession stats for large sections of the encounter, not to mention their being denied at least one clear-cut penalty.

In addition, factor in the significant amount of Irish absentees due to injury, and there is some scope for optimism ahead of the increasingly daunting-looking trip to Sweden next March.

4. Simon Cox is running out of chances to prove himself

(Ireland’s Simon Cox and Kyriakos Papadopuolos of Greece – INPHO/Donall Farmer)

The striker has been in fine form for Nottingham Forest recently, yet it unfortunately wasn’t reflected in his performance last night.

Cox missed a golden opportunity from a close-range header in the first half, and was too hesitant when played through by Andrews in the second period.

Given that his reputation at club level is hardly glowing in comparison to some of Ireland’s other attacking options, Cox can consider himself somewhat lucky to be in the team.

And when he starts ahead of a player as esteemed as Kevin Doyle, much is understandably expected of the former West Brom man.

Yet despite Trapattoni’s persistence in playing him, the striker has still yet to convincingly demonstrate what the Italian boss sees in him.

5. Seamus Coleman is now the only legitimate option at right back for Ireland

(Ireland’s Seamus Coleman and Kostas Fortounis of Greece – INPHO/Lorraine O’Sullivan)

Seamus Coleman’s recent two performances have been so impressive that it’s not fanciful to portray him as a metaphor for the small beacon of hope that the more optimistic Irish fans hold, with regard to World Cup qualification.

He is also the best illustration of the folly of Trapattoni’s style and selection policy, prior to recent games.

Before Coleman, Irish full-backs were notoriously reluctant to go beyond the halfway line, yet against the Faroes and again last night – in a sudden, drastic shift in circumstances – the Everton man was his side’s most potent attacking threat.

Therefore, in light of his past two performances, Coleman would undoubtedly be an automatic starter in the team from here on in, under almost any international manager. Yet, with the innately cautious Trap in charge, his position in the side is by no means guaranteed.

Would it really be that much of a shock, for instance, to ultimately see O’Shea preferred to him at right-back come crunch time in March?

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    Mute Conor O'Neill
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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:50 AM

    The main thing we learned is that our football team is not that good!

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:28 AM

    We also learned that the number of hard core Ireland fans is quite small.

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    Mute Nick McCartan
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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:52 AM

    All fair points…..we miss a proven goal scorer up top who’ll give defenders a hard time. The 20 year old Greek defender bossed long, cox and co all night. Not surprised man utd are after him….

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    Mute Martin Mac
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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:54 AM

    Plus Holouhan come on for 45 mins and shows more skill and technique in that time than most other players trap persists with in the past 2 years. Yes the fans have been screaming for Wes for 2 years now. Get Pilkington in next who is actually the best Irish winger not playing for Ireland…it will only take Crapatoni another 2 years to call him up.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:47 AM

    It’s no good being the best Irish winger not playing for Ireland if you’re not better than at least one of the ones who is!

    I don’t know anything about Pilkington so can’t comment one way or the other.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:37 AM

    Cox is useless

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    Mute Martin Mac
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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:52 AM

    Hold on who said he should play OShea anywhere? And Mclean is much better than any other winger we have and will get better as he is a kid, and Clark will be top notch too. The fans no more that Trap that’s the only thing that’s obvious.

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    Mute Chris Noonan
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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:08 AM

    so negative… that was the best Irish performance I’m awhile now, actually playing attacking football instead of huffing it forward and hoping for mistakes. it was a good game to watch, mcclean and clark played well! discipline lacked on occasion but that’s experience

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    Mute Debbie Ennis
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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:53 AM

    We should of learned by know that as fans the Irish are brilliant but as a team they are crap and will never be able to stand up and win against the big guns !!! However we live in hope for the charlton years to return !!! Maybe then we will return and start filling stadiums once again

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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:20 PM

    ‘as fans the Irish are brilliant ‘

    I think what you meant to say was ‘when there’s drink involved the Irish fans are brilliant but when it comes to actually going out and supporting the team they’re crap’. Everyone just loves to jump on the bandwagon when things are going good.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 7:36 PM

    Debbie, you seem to have forgotten the McCarthy era. Mick had to rebuild the squad after big Jack and despite the Roy debacle, we did amazing at the World Cup finals. As for the team being crap you only have to look at Neil Lennon’s Celtic and see how a squad of unknowns can play as an amazing unit. Trap has had his chance and hasn’t come anywhere near producing the goods.
    Aaron, success breeds success in the stands as much as on the field of play. That’s the way in every sport in the world. “You only sing when you’re winning” is an accurate terrace chant! Decent play and results will see the crowds return.

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    Mute Mick Kirwan
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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:49 AM

    here are another 5….
    1 crapatonni and his ‘assistant’ are crap
    2 crapatonni and his ‘assistant’ are crap
    3 crapatonni and his ‘assistant’ are crap
    4 crapatonni and his ‘assistant’ are crap
    5 crapatonni and his ‘assistant’ are crap

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    Mute Lou Brennan
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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:49 AM

    And seven.
    It’s about the winning,
    not the taking part

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    Mute Seamus O Uirthuile
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    Nov 15th 2012, 9:00 AM

    5 things we learned, we have no penetration up front, we are going to get jockeyed, when ever we play a team higher then us in the ranking. I agree with the cox statement .. And everything else we knew, we are crap !!!

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    Mute Aaron
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    Nov 15th 2012, 1:18 PM

    ‘we are going to get jockeyed, when ever we play a team higher then us in the ranking.’

    You obviously missed the part where Greece are ranked 12th in the world…..

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    Mute Alan Carroll
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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:09 PM

    O’Shea has always been an average journeyman. Ferguson seemed to be able to get average players to do a job for him at Man Utd like O’Shea and Silvestre before him, but they are extremely limited players. I’d put O’Shea at left back because Wilson is injured and Ward is a disaster. Keep O’Shea away from the centre back position.

    It’s in the midfield where a team’s identity is formed, and picking Whelan and Andrews for years now meant we were always going to struggle to pass a ball. Trap won’t change when the pressure comes on against Sweden etc.., he’ll be negative and pick players who can run a lot rather than pass the ball with any skill. But we have no choice now except to suck it up.

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    Nov 15th 2012, 12:03 PM

    I was at the game and it looked like we still rushed possession were as the Greeks passed slickly when they had it, was this the case on tv?

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    Nov 15th 2012, 8:11 PM

    My retort
    1. Trap shows willingness to change:- Too little too late. All these young players should have bags full of international experience. Whose to say McClean would be having any slump (mental or physical) if his meteoric rise rise from Loi 1st division to international star on the biggest venue had of come to fruition like it should in the Euros. Clark ( and Mclean) was under too much pressure to perform last night having been drafted in last minute, which showed in his over exuberrant challenge. Finally, he has killed careers. I will never forgive the man for not picking Weso during his tenure who would have fitted our negative formation to perfection. Oh wait. Andy Reid, Steven Reid, Steven Ireland?, Steven Foley, Darren Gibson,…….
    2.Traps reservations vindicated:- Bullshit!!! As my point above states these guys could have been giving opportunities to gel with the squad in previous friendlies. Instead we always seen the same 11 for every single game, no matter who the opposition. Traps poor personal skills are the reason these guys are becoming frustrated when not being giving their chance when they deserve it.
    3. Ireland can play possession football:- Of course we can, as can any team when the best ball retention players are on the field and in the squad, which they rarely are!
    4. Simon Cox is running out of chances:- I doubt it. Its Trap! Trap must want to sleep with this guy the amount of favours he has done him. He is not even our 10th best striker. behind Long, Doyle, Keane, Walters, Best, Stokes, N Hunt, Scannell, Sammon, Murphy,….. Trap will find a place for this guy, even in defence.
    5. Coleman a certainty for right back slot:- Love the guy. Was great for Sligo in Ireland, Helped Blackpool get to EPL and has been quality for Everton on that stage too. With Trap none of that means Jack. Even though he came out today saying if Coleman is fit in March he will start against Sweden i dont believe him. Trap is a man clinging onto his job and now wants to be seen to be actually doing some work. For 4 years he has been laughing at the whole naton, taking our money and doing nothing for it. The man was virtually in retiremnet apart from a holiday to emerald Isle a few times a year.

    The man must go if we are to mix the old with the new. He is not the man to bring us forward.

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    Mute Trudy Mc Carthy
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    Nov 15th 2012, 10:19 AM

    That we are sh**e……

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    Mute Paul Martin
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    Nov 15th 2012, 11:35 AM

    Need to sort out our set pieces, had numerous frees and corners which were wasted

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