There was complete disregard for life that day, but what happened afterwards was a sign that even the most free democratic nations could be the most evil… Hope Thatcher woke up in her coffin…..
Guardian just revealed today that the owner of Bradford in the 80s was involved in 8 fires prior to the Valley Parade fire which killed 60. Wondering if thejournal will run an article on this?? Could be a big story, guy was apparently up to his neck in debt too
She was advised that South Yorkshire Police were “close to deceitful” but that isn’t proof that she was involved in the cover-up. I doubt that she or any of her ministers was involved in the day-to-day running of police forces in the UK.
She knew enough, and like Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, authorities turned a blind eye. She turned her back on her people. But then her people did not live north of South London. She saw footie fans as socialists, like miners. She was trying to force ID’s on every football fan… As Prime Minister, I am sure she made sure somebodies else’s hand did her dirty work, but I have no doubt she was implicit in everything that was going on… Ffs, she thought Pinochet was a fine human being, he was a mass murderer, probably genocide scale….
It was up to judges to make decisions in court cases, e.g. the Birmingham 6. Did you read Jeff Powell’s article, to which I provided the link?
As for Pinochet, Britain joined forces with him because of the Argentine invasion of the Falklands. He caused the deaths of 3,000 people but Thatcher’s co-operation with him is small beer by comparison with Churchill’s co-operation with Stalin, who had the blood of millions of people on his hands, from 1941 to 1945. By the way, the number of people killed by the Argentine junta is ten times the death toll caused by Pinochet.
Yes, I read your links, also read others, including from Jack Straw, pointing the finger at her too. She is too smart to have her own name linked directly to anything, but she knew something bad had happened, but because it was common fans from the north, she no interest in ever doing the right thing. She knew all the way to her deathbed. That makes her as guilty as the South Yorkshire police disgrace, as guilty as the Sun… I also know judges made the decisions based on what they knew back the other 70′s, but again, when the truth was there, it was ignored….it took a lot to get the right thing done, in a country that tries to tell the rest how to live fairly…
There is no indication that she gave the order for a cover-up. Even if she was aware of the cover-up, her failure to do anything about it was not a criminal offence. By the way, she was senile in her last years. So she probably had no recollection of the Hillsborough disaster as she was dying. Britain would have suffered if she hadn’t faced down the miner’s unions. Western Europe was under threat of Soviet attack in the early 1980s.
Britain did suffer as she faced down the miners. She might have been right to break unions, but she sent normal folk back to the 18th century… Western Europe was under threat…. Whats your point? Many other countries faced the same threat, but they still respected it’s citizens….
She threw her people under the bus…. When the economy recovered, it was those in the south who fared well…. The North suffered in poverty….. She was never tolerant of anyone below her kind…. She was evil….
That was a wicked thing done there and the violence visited upon protested is hotting up as we speak. The democratic right to simply complain is being frightened and bullied out of us in many countries.
Elderly, asthmatic, those with heart conditions and many more now cannot go to any as pepper sprays and takers would be the end of them. All for simply slowly going about waving a card maybe and speaking of a different opinion.
Nothing violent there. Little stops for rest and tea in order to manage some. But, death will visit many going and it is back to the blue light!
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A fantastic article Paul. If anybody has not read Scraton’s book, I urge you to do so.
There was complete disregard for life that day, but what happened afterwards was a sign that even the most free democratic nations could be the most evil… Hope Thatcher woke up in her coffin…..
Guardian just revealed today that the owner of Bradford in the 80s was involved in 8 fires prior to the Valley Parade fire which killed 60. Wondering if thejournal will run an article on this?? Could be a big story, guy was apparently up to his neck in debt too
We’ve a piece on it here, Donal: http://jrnl.ie/2050104
Yeah, will never forget that one fan running on fire… terrible….
@Graham Kavanagh
It was South Yorkshire Police Chief Constable the late Peter Wright, not Thatcher, who orchestrated the cover-up.
You know very little. What happened that was a gift to her. Read some more, this went all the way to the top. Do not mean to offend you.
@Graham
No offence taken whatsoever.
She was advised that South Yorkshire Police were “close to deceitful” but that isn’t proof that she was involved in the cover-up. I doubt that she or any of her ministers was involved in the day-to-day running of police forces in the UK.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hillsborough-cover-up-margaret-thatcher-1321049
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2307178/Baroness-Thatcher-death-Why-wrong-blame-Hillsborough-tragedy-cover–JEFF-POWELL.html
She knew enough, and like Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, authorities turned a blind eye. She turned her back on her people. But then her people did not live north of South London. She saw footie fans as socialists, like miners. She was trying to force ID’s on every football fan… As Prime Minister, I am sure she made sure somebodies else’s hand did her dirty work, but I have no doubt she was implicit in everything that was going on… Ffs, she thought Pinochet was a fine human being, he was a mass murderer, probably genocide scale….
@Graham
It was up to judges to make decisions in court cases, e.g. the Birmingham 6. Did you read Jeff Powell’s article, to which I provided the link?
As for Pinochet, Britain joined forces with him because of the Argentine invasion of the Falklands. He caused the deaths of 3,000 people but Thatcher’s co-operation with him is small beer by comparison with Churchill’s co-operation with Stalin, who had the blood of millions of people on his hands, from 1941 to 1945. By the way, the number of people killed by the Argentine junta is ten times the death toll caused by Pinochet.
Yes, I read your links, also read others, including from Jack Straw, pointing the finger at her too. She is too smart to have her own name linked directly to anything, but she knew something bad had happened, but because it was common fans from the north, she no interest in ever doing the right thing. She knew all the way to her deathbed. That makes her as guilty as the South Yorkshire police disgrace, as guilty as the Sun… I also know judges made the decisions based on what they knew back the other 70′s, but again, when the truth was there, it was ignored….it took a lot to get the right thing done, in a country that tries to tell the rest how to live fairly…
@Graham
There is no indication that she gave the order for a cover-up. Even if she was aware of the cover-up, her failure to do anything about it was not a criminal offence. By the way, she was senile in her last years. So she probably had no recollection of the Hillsborough disaster as she was dying. Britain would have suffered if she hadn’t faced down the miner’s unions. Western Europe was under threat of Soviet attack in the early 1980s.
Britain did suffer as she faced down the miners. She might have been right to break unions, but she sent normal folk back to the 18th century… Western Europe was under threat…. Whats your point? Many other countries faced the same threat, but they still respected it’s citizens….
@Graham
The miners’ union movement had Soviet support. That’s my point. Capitulation to the unions would have destroyed the British economy.
She threw her people under the bus…. When the economy recovered, it was those in the south who fared well…. The North suffered in poverty….. She was never tolerant of anyone below her kind…. She was evil….
That was a wicked thing done there and the violence visited upon protested is hotting up as we speak. The democratic right to simply complain is being frightened and bullied out of us in many countries.
Elderly, asthmatic, those with heart conditions and many more now cannot go to any as pepper sprays and takers would be the end of them. All for simply slowly going about waving a card maybe and speaking of a different opinion.
Nothing violent there. Little stops for rest and tea in order to manage some. But, death will visit many going and it is back to the blue light!
TAZERS not takers, this m/c? Bit of a battle just sitting here!
They only went to a match but never came home.
JFT96 YNWA
Very good piece Paul.
It will be important to remember the 30th anniversary of Heysel next month also.
The lack of Robson Keane comments in here is disappointing.
Cost not quantifiable?
That was evident the day it happened, unfortunately
People never get over these tragedies, some get on with their lives better than others but be sure these are never forgot.